Posts by Sea Breeze

103

Jesus is Michael the Archangel

by Fisherman in

only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

“now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

Sea Breeze

some verses of the Bible seem to make a definite distinction between Jesus Christ and God

DJW,

This is the same argument you just made. Your premise is just as faulty. At least take the time to understand a Christian position before rejecting it.

Jesus being fully Man and Fully God at the same time... would have as many distinctions between him and God as there is between you or I and God.

But, only he possesses the very essence of God (in his Spirit) and can claim it as his very own.... being the "only begotten".

Why are you having such a hard time accepting that people are constructed with a soul, spirit and body?

BTW, many millions of Christians do not trust Vaticanus & Sinaiticus. These two manuscripts are a train wreck for many reasons. They disagree with each other in thousands of places and have been written over at least twice since produced.

Thousands of other manuscripts (the majority text), do not have these problems.

103

Jesus is Michael the Archangel

by Fisherman in

only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

“now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

Sea Breeze

But the "He" in verse has to refer to Jesus otherwise it would conflict with verse one saying saying God sent the revelation to Jesus.

I already covered this in my last few posts regarding the tri-partite nature of man (Jesus). You would need to deny that truth (and the scriptures I cite) in order for your argument to have any merit. In short, you are still using an unbiblical premise for a perfectly sound argument.

I would direct you back to the nature of Jesus. Learn that and everything else falls into place.

103

Jesus is Michael the Archangel

by Fisherman in

only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

“now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

Sea Breeze

DJW,

Jesus delivered God's message of the "Revelation of Jesus Christ" to John

How could you possibly come up with that conclusion with a plain literal reading of scripture?

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must [a]shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy"

Revelation is the only book in the bible that promises a special blessing for those read and 'hear" it. The book of revelation is about Jesus Christ fully revealed, unveiled and in pictured in heaven as the Almighty. The word revelation means the unveiling.

Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, [d]the Beginning and the End,” says the [e]Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Jesus is Lord

He is Lord of lords and King of kings - Rev. 17: 14

103

Jesus is Michael the Archangel

by Fisherman in

only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

“now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

Sea Breeze

@ Earnest:

In Hebrews 1–3, the author sets out to demonstrate that Jesus is superior to the prophets, angels, and Moses. We’re told Jesus is the ultimate revelation of God (1:1–2), the Creator of the world (1:2), and the exact imprint of God’s nature (1:3). After explicitly stating He is “much superior to angels,” the author of Hebrews writes, “For to which of the angels did God ever say, ‘You are my Son, today I have begotten you‘?”

The obvious answer to this hypothetical question is that God never said that to any angel. Rather, in Mark 1:11, God says to Jesus, “You are my beloved Son; with You I am well pleased.”

Note: Only sons are "begotten"... out of your essence. Angels were created outside of God's essence.

In verse 6, we are told the angels worship Jesus. How could a created being receive worship?

Jesus is "God manifest in the Flesh" - 1 Tim. 3:16 KJV

How could the bible be any clearer?

You got the wrong Jesus. The Jesus you imagine cannot help you because he didn't die in your place. But Jesus did.

103

Jesus is Michael the Archangel

by Fisherman in

only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

“now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

Sea Breeze

But Basically there are plenty of other verses showing Jesus praying and inferior to the Almighty

Christians have always maintained, as they do now, that Jesus was BOTH man (inferior) and God at the same time. Scriptures are exceedingly clear about this.

Only the Spirit portion of Jesus' being was God. His body was same as us. Like us, Jesus had a spirit, body and soul. However, his spirit was the indivisible essence of God, So, it can rightly be said that Jesus was both God and Man at the same time.

Sometimes Jesus spoke as a man, sometimes he spoke as God. Both are true. Does this make sense to you Fisherman?

Here's all three parts of man listed in scripture (twice):

1. 1 Thess. 5: 23

2. Heb. 4: 12

103

Jesus is Michael the Archangel

by Fisherman in

only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

“now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

Sea Breeze

It all makes logical sense though—JW interpretation of the Bible—to the point of being mentally and emotionally convinced to the point of dying for your beliefs such as blood and political neutrality.

You can be sincere AND sincerely wrong at the same time. Fortunately, people won't be judged on whether or not they are sincere or if they died for their beliefs. They will be judged after they die on whether or not they have broken any of the 10 commandments.

To deal with this LITERAL judgement, Jesus LITERALLY substituted for the sin that individuals carry: "he became sin for us". and codified this "forgiveness of sins" into a contract at MT. 26: 27-28.... the same contract JW's disrespect and reject every memorial.

it is appointed unto man once to die and then to face judgement. - Heb. 9; 27

There is nothing symbolic about any of this stuff. Symbolism is just another word for rejecting the words of God.

JW's on the trial before God: "I'm sorry your Honor, I sincerely thought your judgement was only symbolic. I was told that my sins would be wiped away and I would be given a clean slate after I die.".

God: "Why didn't you believe me over them? Didn't you know they had a 100% prophecy failure rate"?

Get off the crazy train and read the bible literally, unless it tells you that something is a symbol or means something else. If it doesn't say that, just take God at his word.

16

New Religion

by crios in

jw
friends

i need a new religion.

it can't be trinidadian and it must be a christian church.

it's been a while since i've been to the hall (and i'm not interested in returning either) and i need a new religion.

Sea Breeze

Jesus said to "Come to me, and I will give you rest"

Jehovah said at Jesus baptism, "Listen to him".

Why don't you just do as they ask?

68

Prediction of how Watchtower going to be in 5 Years.

by Foolednomore in

jw
friends

i can see it that watchtower will become an online/tv based group with just con-vention hall$.. field service would be letter writing and phone preaching, door to door is done.. watchtower will have pay to view programs and still ask for donations after all that.. zoom meetings are here to stay.

kingdumb halls will be sold off except for con-vention venues, or need for new ones$.. df'ing will continue.

the craziness will continue.

Sea Breeze

The result is the demographic changed for the worse. When these elderly (Boomers and older) are gone, it’s going to resemble an insane asylum because I don’t believe any of the younger ones with a brain will hang around.

Well said LHG.

11

Watchtower LOSES copyright court case - humiliated!

by BoogerMan in

the org has been exposed for abusing dmca laws to hunt down and punish anonymous faders/jw's.. https://pubcit.typepad.com/clpblog/2022/05/watch-tower-drops-its-effort-to-identify-a-dissident-blogger-based-on-spurious-copyright-claims.html.

if you talk to a jw, tell them how wisely the "faithful slave is looking after the masters belongings.

" (matt.

Sea Breeze

Absolutely Brilliant!

Brought back many memories.

Thanks for posting that VH7

40

Liberal vs. Conservative mental health study - what do you make of it?

by Brock Talon in

a pew study from 2020 (but one i just now came upon myself) reported that the more liberal you are, the more likely you are to have a mental health condition.

the worst suffering group are white females, ages 18-29 where over 56% have admitted to be described by their own doctors as having a mental health condition.

conservative females of the same age group suffer at less than half that number (27%).. while women tend to have more mental health problems than men (don't be mad at me for saying it, this is what the study reports) it is notable that liberal men have a higher percentage of mental health conditions than conservative women in the same age group.

Sea Breeze

Interesting. Thanks for posting.